I think it's the major source of Charles's income (and his subsidy to his sons). In fact the Irish Presidency offers one of the most quietly effective arguments for republicanism I am aware of. However, she can't do this with the Edinburgh dukedom, because it currently has a holder, her son Charles. Is it only because of that damn Letters Patent from 1917? Edward will become the Duke of Edinburgh but will have to wait until Harry and Meghan, her especially, are trend riders and parrot whatever the latest Woke Thing is. The Queen's death: How the Royal Family's titles have changed [quote] Hugh Grosvenor, the 7th Duke of Westminster is the lad at top of British society marriage market. It's not as if her daughter or daughter in law or granddaughter were ever going to need it. At least the continental monarchies have had the good sense to make abdication a normal and expected development. Next was William of Orange, spouse of Mary II, but he was the last. Charles would be well advised to keep Edinburgh as a title for his eldest grandson, to acknowledge Scotland with a well-known title that can thereafter stay within the main line (Rothesay goes to the heir along with prince of Wales, plus its an utterly insignificant place). Their cut is fairly minimal. If you draw a line between royalty and commoners, all of the aristocracy are commoners. Cambridge will become a subsidiary title. After a brief stint in the Royal Marines, he worked as a theatre production assistant at the Really Useful Theatre Company before assisting in television production. The most likely thing is that once Charles becomes king he will make Edward the Duke of Edinburgh. I just don't think they flatter. Which means no cherry-picking. Royal correspondent Prince Edward has been named as the new Duke of Edinburgh, Buckingham Palace has announced. 09 Sep 2022, 07:28 BST Danielle Stacey Online Royal Correspondent London Prince Philip was given the title of the Duke of Edinburgh when he married Princess Elizabeth in 1947, but following his. I would have loved to have seen Andrew's face when he first heard of that proposal. If you R259 can prove different, please do tell. By Royal Central 19th January 2013 In any Royal commentator's books, the announcement in 1999 that Prince Edward would be made an Earl and. With very limited material to work with, they've managed to move the public from a position of outright loathing to vaguely sullen indifference. The rumor that Edward was angry because Charles will deny Edward the title Duke of Edinburgh is purely just a rumor; it was published by any reputable newspaper. . In end it really wouldn't have mattered IMHO. Born in Hungerford on 24 September 1779, Duke was the second son of Edward Duke of Lake House, Wiltshire, and Fanny, daughter of John Field of Islington. You do have to applaud the Monarchy's PR teams for their job on Camilla. While he was conferred the title of the Earl of Wessex, the Queen made it clear that she wishes her youngest son to be elevated from the rank of Earl to Duke of Edinburgh, when the current Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip, passes away. There is little chance of Prince Edward being named the Duke of Edinburgh, according to reports. It is, therefore, up to Charles to confer the title on Edward when he becomes king. The Queen can't take a title from one son and give it to another. Step One: Queen is raptured. Charles and Edward went to university. A relatively young monarch might be able to play with this concept, taking a different regnal name. to address their stupidity and inchoate objectives that make sense? The monarch embodies the state and is meant to be dignified, amiable, and charitable. If anyone should have decided it was William and Meghan's present husband. Because Northern Ireland still exists, it would be a political hot potato for civil relations between Ireland, Northern Ireland, and Great Britain. They fiddled with the Mountbatten earldom to let a daughter inherit. The Earl of Wilton is heir presumptive to the Marquessate. Anne has never been impressed by titles. The Queen Mothers trust funds for the grandchildren - real or imagined? The tiara was originally made by Garrard for Florence, Lady Poltimore, wife of the second Baron Poltimore, in the 1870s. Prince Edward title: Why is he Earl of Wessex and not a Duke? And hundreds of charities will have no patron. I don't think there should be any more hereditary titles created outside the line of succession. Many are taken (and have heirs), others are not used because of various connotations associated with last holder. I cannot imagine anyone, upon accession, removing titles. The monarchy is in no serious danger of going anywhere r471, so what matter? She is not Dowager Duchess of Edinburgh. But taking away someone's birthright is against law and can only happen under certain circumstances and must involve Parliament. Even Charles isn't that dumb. when news reached them that George VI was dead. By clicking Accept All Cookies, you agree to the storing of cookies on your device to enhance site navigation, analyze site usage, and assist in our marketing efforts. Times have changed. Mobility is actually more of an anachronism than hereditary monarchy. Let's cut out the hyperbole, shall we? They could use modern media saturation to encourage acceptance. King Arthur didnt exist. Boring is good in this case. Next to females being allowed to inherit peerages as of right, other big thing is going to be the whole "heirs of body" by legally married spouse. He is 30 by now, right? One day, the position could pass to one of Prince William's younger children Princess Charlotte, 7, or Prince Louis, 4 when he becomes monarch someday. Again. If the Queen lasts a few more years, then I guess that link will be broken a bit, but if she were to die soon and Edward suddenly became the Duke of Edinburgh it would feel a bit strange to lots of Brits. The portraits seem to be a throwback to the old oil paintings that added glow to their subjects, except now the photographer added a gauzey effect. Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh, KG, GCVO, CD, ADC (Edward Antony Richard Louis; born 10 March 1964[2]), is a member of the British royal family. The B&W shots look like she went to an Olde Time Photo shop. While abdicating in favour of the next in line to the throne is pretty common in, say, the Netherlands, it's unheard-of in the UK. Prince Edward opened the 1990 Commonwealth Games in New Zealand and the 1998 Commonwealth Games in Malaysia and became vice-patron of Commonwealth Games Federation in 2006, picking up his father's ceremonial duties who had served as president. [28], Edward met Sophie Rhys-Jones for the first time in 1987 when he was dating her friend. Margaret was fun. [quote] Elizabeth? Why wasn't Prince Philip called king? - CBS News But a source told the newspaper: The prince is the Duke of Edinburgh as it stands, and it is up to him what happens to the title. Long live the King!"? If James should predecease Edward having had no sons himself, whoever is monarch at the time would be able to bestow it again. Oh, also, I forgot to add a thanks to 'Title Troll #5' for sharing their extensive knowledge! Or is it just one more line in his email signature and nothing else? The baby of the royal bunch, Edward, was set to succeed his father in the dukedom "in due course" with the blessing of the Queen and Prince Philip . She didn't change her name and she was entirely expected to be the future monarch, even before Edward ascended to the throne. She didn't have to put out a harsh statement, or issue a fresh LP, in the case of the Sussexes. The king's eldest son is automatically Duke of Cornwall. Duke of Edinburgh: What does Prince Edward's title change mean for him Sophie is Annes sister-in-law, not her daughter. For 3 generations, people have been hailing the Kennedys as our royal family. Almost none of Harry with them. On the eve of his wedding in 1947 to then-Princess Elizabeth, Prince Philip was made the Duke of Edinburgh, Baron Greenwich and Earl of Merioneth. You are correct about the Edinburgh creations. If HM wanted to make some nobody a peer (hereditary or life), she could do so without recommendation of her government. They are more than just titles. Sorry for repeating myself, that point seems to have been ignored. That said, I agree that Royal dukedoms should be life peerages only. [quote]Zara told The Times: Im very lucky that both my parents decided to not use the title and we grew up and did all the things that gave us the opportunity to do.. 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George VI and Queen Elizabeth were boring, too. Let one person's experience of paying inheritance tax instruct us all. When Charles dies, William automatically inherits all of his titles. I think he just doesnt want to share the limelight with his relatives. [103] Edward was also granted the subsidiary title of Viscount Severn. Last British monarch to seriously push the envelope was Queen Victoria, and mostly when she was just a young woman newly arrived on throne. It's also odd to see a profile portrait. - This is ridiculous nonsense to the highest degree. [31] Edward proposed to Sophie on holiday in the Bahamas in December 1998 and their engagement was announced on 6 January 1999. About anything. [quote] One maybe is Charles granting the Edinburgh dukedom only for the period of Edward's life, so it reverts to the Crown without creating another line of distant titled relations, but that is pure speculation on my part. Far as same sex marriage is concerned again "no", the male spouse of a duke is nor will not ever be a duchess. "Speculation" that William might do that is just speculation, it has nothing to do with anything William himself has said, done or thought. Thanks r88 for clearing up r87's statement "he outranked Elizabeth who was a mere Princess and a commoner". Her grandmother has not allowed it. She'd rather get kicked in the ass for following precedent than kicked in the ass for showing a preference. My view of him then was that he was a standard posh English twat. Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, he explained: "The only way the title can come to me is after both my parents have actually passed away. He may not use it as his main 'title' (he is known as the Prince of Wales to most of the public), but he is still the Duke of Edinburgh. Make sure you never miss a ROYAL story! His two immediate predecessors, Mary Robinson and Mary McAleese were also academics as well as campaigning lawyers. Dan Keane Published: 18:46 ET, Jul 10 2021 Updated: 3:18 ET, Jul 11 2021 PRINCE Charles is refusing to grant his younger brother Edward the title of Duke of Edinburgh after their dad Philip's death, it is claimed. It was how HM came to the throne (via abdication crisis of Edward VIII), that has shaped much of her views on, well shall we say how to do her job. Grey Men, senior royals at time, and others drummed into Princess then Queen Elizabeth how her uncle almost cost the family firm their jobs. Queen Elizabeth couldn't use "dowager" because Queen Mary was still living, and besides the title was an anathema as it conjured up an image of some relic roaming about in heavy weeds. New reports indicate, however, it may not happen. R217, do you mean the person on the train who overheard? The sons of HM would literally out rank their father. I view the British monarchy as an absurd institution for many reasons, including the fact that it forces these people to live in gilded cages. Some Asian git bought Princess Margaret's "Poltimore tiara" from that famous sale at Christies. There's a big difference. It's all change over at the Wessex house, with Prince Edward recently being bestowed with the .css-tjvzc4{-webkit-text-decoration:none;text-decoration:none;text-decoration-thickness:0.0625rem;text-decoration-color:inherit;text-underline-offset:0.25rem;color:inherit;-webkit-transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;border-bottom:thin solid #6F6F6F;}.css-tjvzc4:hover{color:#595959;text-decoration-color:border-link-body-hover;}Duke of Edinburgh title. *then the title Duke of Sussex being granted [quote]I'd love Charlotte to end up becoming The Duchess of York in her own right. R87 is mistaken. They were born HRHs for the same reason his two kids were. Charles never suggested they give up their titles of princess and be called Lady. Move along and leave it to the British and the other Commonwealth realms. She doesn't have the power. It caused much surprise when Prince Edward married that he wouldn't be joining his older brothers - Prince Charles, Duke of Cornwall as well as Prince Andrew, Duke of York - in receiving a dukedom. [79] In May 2016, the Earl visited Ghana. And, on Philip's assurance that one day in the future, Edward would receive the DoE title. It's fairly different from other countries, many of which don't even have inheritance tax. and by the current Queen, rather than later on by her husband - was not only a signal of this intent, but a bit of a barter between Charles and his mother. Queen Mother was settled upon and that was that. To suddenly take on a different name, at his late age, would be strange and jarring to the same public he'd be trying to win over. Any other privileges? Those are actually very good numbers considering how hated she used to be. I truly am interested in people who see Harry and Meghan as decent, interesting people. have to be written in what might seem like a convoluted way but which offer a strict legal interpretation, cover all aspects and are exact about their intention. So it would suit their purposes to put it about that Diana gave up the HRH voluntarily, as if it were something she didn't care about because she was better than the Saxe Coburg-Gotha/Windsor/Windsor-Mountbatten family. Not so - the monarch can simply make their wishes publicly known in their capacity as Fount of all Honour, and that holds until such time as they might again publicly reverse a decision. But why is Edward not a duke currently? It would not cause a constitutional crisis. Do you circle in the hope of being triggered? Can you imagine if Carole Middleton had pulled that off?! The move for Edward not to take a Duke title was an interesting one because technically a Duke outranks an Earl meaning that his brothers have more royal authority than him. The film of the coronation played to packed cinemas across the world-including in America, where the concept of monarchy was done away with 150 years earlier. [quote]You might be interested to know that the Titles Deprevation Act 1917 was specifically for use during the First World War and for those who have "during the present war, borne arms against His Majesty or His Allies, or who have adhered to His Majestys enemies" and not for a general removal of titles. Why would HM and or government stoop to giving Wallis something after her death when it no longer mattered. OK, this I how I would write this as a Royal Fanboi. While this may seem natural and as things should be, again remember normally via orders of precedence the heir (Prince of Wales, eldest son of sovereign) takes second spot in male line. Please click here to get full access and no ads for $1.99 or less per month. Why doesnt the queen just make Edward a duke if she and Philip wanted him to be one? Considering Diana was bit of a lose cannon before her divorce and afterwards, who knows what she would have gotten up to ten, twenty or more years on. I think it was 1902 when he gave it to his niece Princess Patricia of Connaught. The only other type of Queen is a Queen Dowager, the widow of a King. Please click here to register for free. Once QEII is six feet under, Charles is going to kick all the Yorks to the curb, root and stem. In Charles's case, I doubt he'll use anything other than his Christian name: King Charles III. Butterfly effect. Normally, when male children of the sovereign marry they receive a dukedom - like Prince Harry did, when he became the Duke of Sussex after walking down the aisle in 2018. [/bold]. While on face of things it would seem best for HM to stop all this shillyshallying and just make Prince Edward a duke before she dies, there are other issues. In addition Dukes of Buccleuch, Richmond, Grafton and St Albans all descend in an unbroken male line from Charles II various illegitimate children who were risen up into peerage. That was written in the sixteenth century, r148. [quote] -The 2nd Duchess of Fife & the 3rd Duchess of Hamilton. And as for Princess Anne - apart from everything else, how stupid would it have been for her to be an HRH, her kids to have titles, and the only member of the family without one was Dad?! He married Sophie Rhys-Jones back in June of 1999 in a relatively private ceremony (by . Let's introduce titles such as Duke and Duchess of Ghetto-upon-Thames, Marquis and Marchioness of the NHS, Count Liposuction and Countess Botox, Sir Greggs and Lady Asda; as well as perhaps improving the monarchy's image by offering Lady Colin Campbell the hand of Prince George, to recognise the merits of the staunch defender of the monarchy as well as support popular culture and diversity and inclusion. He later formed his own company, Ardent Productions. There is not one fucking single shred of evidence for those trusts - taxes, filings, bank records, nothing. In the unlikely change that Scotland holds another referendum and the majority vote is to leave the UK would the Duke of Edinburgh title have to be dropped? Ladies of the Bedchamber affair was but one instance in point where the Queen did what she shouldn't. King Charles has long outlined aims to slim down the monarchy and part of that appears to include . R240 - I would put the Duke of Beaufort and the Duke of Roxeburghe in the above group of dukes along with the non-dukes such as the Marquess of Bath and the Marquess of Bute. She is automatically Queen anyway, the minute he becomes King. If she used the Princess of Wales title, millions of women would be queuing up to punch her in the cunt. ^^* Which, given the QM's nearly constant state of debt (the Queen had to pay them off repeatedly during the old lday's life), makes it even less likely that she left all those kids a tidy sum. Very small world at that level. Is it the hair, which doesn't seem as voluminous?